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This blog is terrific.Thank you Leif, I will. This blog is terrific.Sean Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-30664343722531710102014-04-19T08:23:53.295-04:002014-04-19T08:23:53.295-04:00Thanks for commenting, Sean; I'm pleased reade...Thanks for commenting, Sean; I'm pleased readers like you are sensitive enough to appreciate the more complex realities beneath the surface of Marilyn's story. Hope you return to read the remaining posts to come!leifpenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232334860061949895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-72616997426930525202014-04-18T16:23:12.078-04:002014-04-18T16:23:12.078-04:00I mean, at least for her, it wasn't worth negl...I mean, at least for her, it wasn't worth neglecting and losing those she loved.Sean Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-91436894693672498732014-04-18T15:25:45.030-04:002014-04-18T15:25:45.030-04:00Neglecting her children and losing her marriage ob...Neglecting her children and losing her marriage obviously broke the woman's heart. What she was saying is that behind the pretty pictures, there were a lot of neglected children and wives who ran around like cheap hired help.<br /><br />I read a blog where an art director who was dying of cancer was trying to explain to some younger art directors that it wasn't worth it, but they couldn't hear him. They went on bragging about how much Chinese food they were eating and how many nights of sleep they were loosing as if such were a measure of how tough and real they were and how exciting their lives were.<br /><br />Defending The Famous Artist's School is well and good, but Marilyn's larger message is a real one, the human cost was severe and at least to her it wasn't worth losing one's soul over.Sean Farrellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-43805570912132912952014-04-17T20:19:27.205-04:002014-04-17T20:19:27.205-04:00Thank you Steve!Thank you Steve!leifpenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232334860061949895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-27320776321908984732014-04-17T16:40:57.717-04:002014-04-17T16:40:57.717-04:00I'm enjoying this one. For some reason I tend ...I'm enjoying this one. For some reason I tend to be attracted to 'angry women', so Marilyn's opinion doesn't phase me. I appreciate the way the images you have selected (in Part 2) compliment the text. Looking forward to part 3.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-67532485341942420752014-04-17T06:37:36.861-04:002014-04-17T06:37:36.861-04:00"Thumbs up" to that, David. ;^)"Thumbs up" to that, David. ;^)leifpenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232334860061949895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-62085730638603966972014-04-16T22:06:23.010-04:002014-04-16T22:06:23.010-04:00Leif, I understand perfectly and did not mean to a...Leif, I understand perfectly and did not mean to ascribe Marilyn's views to you. It just seemed to me that since there is a documentary record that can easily resolve any dispute on these facts, this comment section would be a good space to suggest that people consult it, to satisfy themselves. <br /><br />It seems to me that Marilyn may have spent a whole lot of time being angry unnecessarily David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-38678802778458940792014-04-16T18:49:16.645-04:002014-04-16T18:49:16.645-04:00Of course, David; I hope my preamble makes it clea...Of course, David; I hope my preamble makes it clear that I'm not presenting Marilyn Conover's opinion on this as "writ in stone" fact. I'm simply sharing one artist's personal perspective on that period. I've written very glowingly about the FAS over the years and have dipped into it's lessons often when preparing my own teaching materials - they are second to none (and equal to Loomis' in my opinion). But I didn't want to edit or censor Marilyn just because I happen to disagree with her take on the school. There will be another interview with a former teacher from the FAS in a month or two which I think will provide a refreshing counterpoint to this week's presentation. Stay tuned!leifpenghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232334860061949895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-45128068153052461172014-04-16T18:14:25.592-04:002014-04-16T18:14:25.592-04:00Leif, I have come to learn that recollections are ...Leif, I have come to learn that recollections are always like Rashomon. Everyone remembers things differently. But having spent a fair amount of time looking through the files and history of the Famous Artists School, I can tell you that Marilyn's recollections don't comport with the written record. The FAS was not invented by guys who "got smashed at a party,"it was developed over a long time within the Society of Illustrators as a carefully considered way to create operating funds for the Society while at the same time responding to multiple requests for advice from across the country. Later, lawyers advised that the Society could not operate the school for tax reasons. Rather than let all their planning go to waste, Al Dorne modified the concept and developed the FAS as a private corporation.<br /><br />Furthermore, while the School did initially promised students that they could work with the teacher of their choice, the FAS learned within the first year that everybody wanted Rockwell and nobody wanted the other 11 "famous artists," so they publicly announced a change, that students would be rotated through the faculty. As the school grew, the faculty "taught the teachers." I think the record is pretty clear that these changes had nothing to do with Marilyn's theory that "they didn't want you to develop a relationship with a real artist because that would circumvent the slobs that were running the thing." <br /><br />I have personally seen correspondence from Dorne exhorting the 12 famous artists to be sure to show up at the school to lecture to the faculty and give them concrete advice on the work of students, as well as to show up at receptions and to speak while on the road. Dorne said that this personal touch meant the world, both to the faculty and to the correspondence students. So Marilyn's claim that "they invested in it and that was that" doesn't hold up either. She sounds like one angry lady, and I look forward to hearing the rest of what she has to say, but she apparently wasn't willing to do her homework.<br /><br />There were plenty of problems with the FAS, particularly after Dorne died, because he was the glue that held the place together and made sure that everybody did their best. But I don't see how Marilyn could look at the FAS training materials and conclude that the FAS was anything other than a sincere effort at the start; those materials are still terrific, and hold up even today.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18907156.post-92085154196171158312014-04-15T15:57:06.618-04:002014-04-15T15:57:06.618-04:00It's good to hear this perspective. I'm su...It's good to hear this perspective. I'm sure there were just as many struggles being an artist as there are today. Thanks for posting this.DanShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266516623160550482noreply@blogger.com